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I have a friend Sal. He's still away now 35 years later. And, you know, he's on a case exactly identical to mine and you know we

begged him to take the play i said take the plea take the plea just admit you're guilty they drop

charges they want to keep the system moving you know it'll grind to a halt it's very expensive

to try everyone so it's also a victory for them as well. They can show a victory with less manpower and less time.

That's exactly right.

That's exactly right.

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back.

Hope you're ready for another episode of Change Agents, an Ironclad, presented by Firecracker Farm. Now, let's dive in. Well, speaking of the founding fathers in Washington, perfect segue, how the hell did you end up getting involved in organized crime? Not that they have anything to do with each other. I'm just using one as a bridge to the other. Yeah, no, that's great. We're live, right? I guess, well, we are. Yeah, they hit record a while ago. This is the beauty of editors. They can just slice in whenever

we're going. So we're off. So how did I get involved? You know, we really didn't have much

growing up. So, you know, you grow up and you don't have a lot. And, you know, my parents worked hard. Nobody

went to school. Nobody went to college and my family. So a lot of times... What'd your parents do?

My father was in the car business. His brother's owned an auto body collision shop. And he was an

insurance adjuster. And my mother's side were all heavy machinery bulldozer operators

back hose or my cousin now does a crane which they pay really well but my grandfather came out

my grandfather was in World War II and he did two years and he was there he was at lady golf he was at i didn't know till i came

home from jail my aunt left me a minola folder and um and when she died she had a manila

folder of all my grandfather's stuff he never talked about the war and i opened it up is yeah

eight bronze stars asiatic pacific um an award from heroism where they got hit at,

they got hit at Okinawa by a kamikaze and he was instrumental in putting out the fires

and saving some lives.

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