Coming up on the Mark Devine show, to me, perfecting whether that's through practice or

the mental skills is about, well, let's see how close to my limit I can get.

And if I can do things like that visualization or like, spend time practicing or spend

time, you know, preparing in a specific way, then that's going to allow me to get closer

to my limit and no one knows where that is unless you go explore it.

Hi, I'm Mark Devine and this is the Mark Devine show. On the show I explore what it means to be

fearless through the lens of the world's most inspirational, compassionate, and resilient leaders.

Guests include notable folks from all walks of life, meditation monks, blockchain security

wizards, survivors of extreme adversity, and top athletic coaches, such as my guest today,

Steve Magnus, author of Do Hard Things, why we get resilience wrong and the surprising science

of real toughness. Steve has also the co-author of the best-selling peak performance and the

passion paradox in his coaching practice. He works with executives, entrepreneurs, and athletes

on performance and mental skills. He served at the consultant on mental development for professional

sports teams, some of the top teams in the world and his writing has appeared and outside

runs the world forbs, sports illustrated men's health and others. He receives undergraduate

degree from University Houston and graduate degree from George Mason University. And notably,

back in high school, he ran a 4.01 mile, which was the fastest in the country at the time of the

sixth fastest in US history. Awesome, Steve. Really nice to meet you. Thanks for joining me on the

Mark Devine show. Thanks for having me, Mark. I'm really looking forward to this. Yeah, likewise.

Likewise, we have a lot in common. I'm super stoked to get your take on how hard things develop

resilience and mental toughness and all that. But tell me a little bit about yourself where you're

from and I know you're in Houston now, but where you're from and or some of the early influences

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