Hey, everyone. Sarah Longwell, publisher of The Bullwork here. I'm joined by Andrew Weissman.

And for the second time in less than three weeks, ICE agents in Minnesota have shot and killed a protester.

Alex Jeffrey Pready was a 37-year-old ICU nurse and an American citizen. I'm just going to level set this really quickly by saying,

we've been doing live streams much of the day over here at the

bulwark and there's been a lot of emotion attached to it. I want to step back, try to be

less emotional and with Andrew here really just like break down what we know and what's happened.

So Andrew, will you just give me, I know you've been talking about this today. We're going to

watch a video in a second to give people more context, but give me your highest level thoughts just to

start out. Well, like you, I have to first put aside the emotions of the moment. The second thing is

this is something I learned from when I was the general counsel of the FBI, which is

usually whatever your first take is and whatever your first understanding of the facts are,

could easily be wrong. So it's useful just to have that caveat that this is something where we're

all reacting sort of in real time and the facts may change.

So those are sort of my first two things.

And I have to say the second thing is something that's sort of been beaten into me

because I lived through that so much as general counsel.

But now let's just focus on the facts here, which is peaceful protesting is not a death-eligible offense.

Carrying a gun is not a death-eligible offense.

In fact, in this administration, they have, they're sort of famously have touted the Second Amendment right to carry a gun. And so

even if somebody was carrying a gun, that is not a basis. And that I say even if, because there's

substantial concern right now as to whether there was a gun or not even there. But even if there were,

that is not a basis to kill someone. That is actually, according to this administration,

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