Hi and welcome to the working songwriter, the show where today's best songwriters come to Talk Shop.

I'm your host, Joe Pug.

Each episode here, we host a distinguished guest,

and we ask them to go deep on their inspiration,

on their process, on the general ups and downs of making a life in music.

So, whether you're a grizzled veteran,

drinking tall boys of schlitz and trying to remember the chords to after the gold rush, or else, a scrappy upstart, drinking white claws and recording an acoustic version of I Took a Pill in Abiza.

This is your show, because ultimately it is what every writer seeks most, an ironclad excuse to put off actually writing.

What's up, you guys? It's the last Friday of August 2019. Thank you for being here.

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