The Migrant Caravan and its Dissenters
The Lawfare Podcast
The Lawfare Institute
4.7 • 6.4K Ratings
🗓️ 27 October 2018
⏱️ 45 minutes
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Summary
There is a caravan—you've probably heard something about it. Stephanie Leutert, director of the Mexico Security Initiative at the Robert S. Strauss Center for International Security and Law, has heard something about it. On Friday, Benjamin Wittes caught up with Stephanie to talk about her time on the Mexico-Guatemala border traveling with migrants who are following a trail not unlike that of the caravan. They talked about why people are joining this caravan, what the alternatives to it are, why certain migrants are shunning it, the pushes out of countries like Honduras and Guatemala, and what it's like to be a child on the long trek to the United States.
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| 0:29.0 | One of the things I saw in the municipality where I was saying, |
| 0:39.0 | and this is why it's often so hard to tease out one factor from the other, |
| 0:43.0 | is that the lack of jobs in the coffee industry were pushing young men |
| 0:47.0 | from this municipality to go to Guatemala City. |
| 0:51.0 | And then two years ago, two of the men who were working as bus drivers were murdered. |
| 0:55.0 | At that point, a lot of the other young men from the city decided, |
| 0:59.0 | well, maybe I'm actually safe or off, trying to go to the US and stay with my cousin. |
| 1:05.0 | And so that's where it starts to get complicated. |
| 1:07.0 | You all these factors coming together, where the economic options are disappearing. |
| 1:11.0 | And then at the same time, the cities where you might be going to are so dangerous. |
| 1:17.0 | And so it starts to feel like there's no place for you in your country anymore. |
| 1:21.0 | I'm Benjamin Wittis and this is the LawFair podcast October 27, 2018. |
| 1:29.0 | There is a caravan. You've probably heard something about it. |
| 1:33.0 | Stephanie Lloyder has heard something about it. |
| 1:35.0 | She is the director of the Mexico Security Initiative at the Robert S. Strauss Center for International Security and Law, |
| 1:42.0 | and a frequent LawFair contributor. |
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