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Rational Security

The “Midnight Train to Ukraine” Edition

Rational Security

The Lawfare Institute

Politics, Nationalsecurity, Government, Middleeast, News, Foreignpolicy

4.82K Ratings

🗓️ 12 February 2026

⏱️ 81 minutes

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Summary

This week, Scott sat down with Editor in Chief Benjamin Wittes, who recently returned from Ukraine, and Lawfare’s Ukraine Fellow Anastasiia Lapatina, to go through the latest developments in that country, including:

  • “Cold War.” Russia’s ongoing winter campaign against Ukraine’s energy infrastructure has created a humanitarian crisis in many parts of the country. In Kyiv, at least one major power plant has been completely destroyed, and many more energy sites have been damaged. Numerous other parts of the country are without power and heating during a season when temperatures regularly dip below zero degrees Fahrenheit. What do these attacks show about the dynamics of the conflict? And what can be done to curb their effects?
  • “Stuck in the Sand.” U.S.-backed negotiations between Russia and Ukraine—which continued in Abu Dhabi this past week—remain at an impasse, without tangible progress other than a prisoner of war exchange that led to the release of 157 Ukrainians from Russian captivity. Russia continues to demand that Ukraine surrender a large swath of territory in its eastern Donbas region, which Kyiv says is a red line. Meanwhile, President Zelensky has suggested that the United States is pushing the sides to end the war by summer 2026 — perhaps because of the U.S. midterm elections set to take place shortly thereafter. What is the state of the negotiations at this point? Is this a reasonable expectation by the administration? Or are there any areas for potential agreement in the short or medium term?
  • “(P)eye in the Sky?”: The war in Ukraine is arguably the first to be fought in substantial part through drones. Not only has the conflict helped showcase the capabilities of drones, but it’s spurred rapid development in the technology behind them—and methods that might be used to defeat them. What did Ben learn about these technologies on his trip? And what can it tell us about the future of warfare?

In object lessons, Ben departs from his signature dog shirts to shirts of a more subversive nature. Nastya pleads to the power of your inner light in helping the families of Kyiv who are suffering through the energy crisis. And Scott encourages you to keep reading and caring about the War in Ukraine.

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0:00.0

So, Nassia, you just got the full wittest for two full weeks.

0:03.6

What is that experience like?

0:05.7

Well, I don't know if you're expecting some sort of spicy tea about Ben being horrible.

0:10.6

You're not going to get it, you know, because I treat Ben like family.

0:14.4

So I was really happy two weeks for me.

0:17.5

So that was actually great.

0:18.4

I envision Ben sleeping in an old style one piece pajamas with

0:22.3

like one of the butt facts. Am I wrong about that? I have no idea. I have not been briefed

0:26.9

to his sleeping arrangements. The only time Nasty and I slept in the same area was on a train

0:34.2

in a train compartment. But you've done weirder things on trains than put one of those on.

0:39.9

I feel like you've recorded a whole podcast from trains, so that would not be a huge departure.

0:43.2

No, I mean, look, I am very eccentric, but my sleeping habits remain mysterious to the world.

0:50.5

The best part about that train ride was that Ben gave me like a two hour long lecture on the founding fathers.

0:58.5

And so I am now totally bought in into the whole, you know, American exceptionalism, the great

1:04.3

experiment of American democracy.

1:06.1

I'm like, you know, yeah, you are a crazy country.

1:10.0

How you are even a country to begin with, it's kind of crazy. Yeah. So we're doing great. Yeah, you're a crazy country. How you are even a country to begin with, it's kind of crazy, yeah.

1:13.8

We're doing great.

1:14.8

We're, we're, uh, the founding fathers are, are really proud of their progeny right now.

1:22.5

Yep.

1:23.0

And who could have think of a better way to celebrate them than with a car race and ultimate

1:26.9

fighting championship bout on the grounds of the White House, as we will be doing in a few short months?

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