"The Michael Wolff Interview"
The Two Matts
The New World
4.2 • 577 Ratings
🗓️ 29 September 2023
⏱️ 38 minutes
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Summary
Michael Wolff’s gripping new book The Fall chronicles in extraordinary detail the final years of Rupert Murdoch’s grip on worldwide news media. Wolff is a master of his craft - shedding light on legends in their own lifetimes - most notably Murdoch and Donald Trump. Today, in a fascinating trialogue, he faces The Two Matts, legends in their own lunchtimes, and describes how Murdoch was bewildered by the evolution of Fox News, explains how he’s actually the opposite of Logan Roy, and reveals the lunchtime ritual of the most influential media baron of our times. Enjoy…
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| 1:06.3 | about, Matt? It's about Michael Wolfe. It is. The legendary biographer of Donald Trump and now author of a fine book on The Decline and Fall of the Murdoch Empire called The Fall. |
| 1:18.8 | Yes, we've just had a long chat with him. |
| 1:20.5 | We have, and I think it was really interesting, and I hope that listeners enjoy it as much as we did. |
| 1:24.8 | Well, I loved all the, obviously he's got really great insight |
| 1:28.8 | into the political dynamics and Murdoch's role in that. But I did love the kind of personal |
| 1:33.5 | insights, not least how Murdoch goes about choosing his lunch. That was a fascinating detail |
| 1:38.3 | I'd never heard before, but it was so sort of emblematic of the whole state of play. |
| 1:44.5 | It really was. |
| 1:45.8 | And he came over as very forthcoming and a decent guy who has clearly got to know Murdoch |
| 1:52.0 | better than 99.999% of the people in the world. |
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