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Call Me Back - with Dan Senor

The Merits of Merit - with Adrian Wooldridge of The Economist

Call Me Back - with Dan Senor

Ark Media

Politics, Hamas, Society, News, War, Israel, News Commentary, October 7, Geopolitics, Palestine, Government

4.83.2K Ratings

🗓️ 15 October 2021

⏱️ 60 minutes

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Summary

During the pandemic, standardized tests were suspended in an entire range of educational institutions. Will these changes be temporary or permanent? More than 600 of these institutions switched from a mandatory to optional test for the 2020-21 application season, and many just flat out refused to accept a test at all in their application process. According to the editor in chief of the Princeton Review, “That is a tectonic change for many schools.” According to Smithsonian Magazine, “The pandemic sped up changes that were already afoot; even before Covid, more than 1,000 colleges had made the tests optional. Many had been turned off by the way the tests perpetuated socioeconomic disparities, limiting their ability to recruit a diverse freshman class.” Concerns about disparities in outcomes, at the core of this massive shift, have been behind Mayor Bill DeBlasio’s agenda in New York City, including his past efforts to eliminate the entrance exam for the City’s seven specialized high schools. While that effort has experienced a setback in the State Legislature, the fight will likely carry on by other political leaders. And more recently, the Mayor announced a plan to make sweeping changes to the gifted program in the City’s elementary schools. There are similar efforts in other cities across the country. Joining today’s conversation is Adrian Wooldridge, a longtime journalist at The Economist, where he is political editor and writes a column on British life and politics, and before that he penned the Schumpeter column on business, finance and management. He was previously the Washington bureau chief for The Economist, where he also wrote the Lexington column. Prior to his role in Washington, he was The Economist‘s West Coast correspondent, management correspondent and Britain correspondent. Adrian has written a number of books. His most recent books include “Capitalism in America: A History”, which he co-authored with Alan Greenspan, “The Wake-Up Call: Why the Pandemic Has Exposed the Weakness of the West, and How to Fix It”, which he co-wrote with John Micklethwait of Bloomberg News, and just out this year: “The Aristocracy of Talent: How Meritocracy Made the Modern World”. Adrian’s most recent book has been shortlisted for The Financial Times and McKinsey Book of the Year Award. Feel free to drop us a line with questions, feedback and ideas for the new podcast at Dan@unlocked.fm

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In order for the whole machine to keep going forward, we need to have a really, really good educational system.

0:07.8

And in order to have a really good educational system that draws on the talents of the whole population,

0:12.3

I think we need some sort of meritocratic

0:15.7

spirit infusing it and that's what really worries me about apart from the

0:20.8

injustice of it all of getting rid of these elite schools in New York and

0:25.4

San Francisco and Boston because you know that these immigrant talent that rose up from nothing

0:30.3

you know was incredibly entrepreneurial.

0:32.6

Welcome to post-Corona, where we try to understand COVID-19's lasting impact on the economy,

0:41.0

culture and geopolitics.

0:42.9

I'm Dan Seinore.

0:47.8

During the pandemic, standardized tests were suspended in an entire range of educational institutions for a number of reasons,

0:59.0

not the least of which were concerns about congregating in person for long periods of time to take the tests.

1:06.1

But now that the pandemic is winding down, will this change be temporary or permanent?

1:11.8

Liberal Arts Colleges, Technical Institutes, historically black colleges and universities,

1:17.1

and Ivy League schools, more than 600 of these institutions, switched from a mandatory to optional test for the 2020 and 2021 application season.

1:28.0

And many just flat out refused to accept a test at all in their application process.

1:32.0

According to the editor-in-chief of the Princeton... to test at all in their application process.

1:33.0

According to the editor-in-chief of the Princeton Review,

1:36.1

quote, that is a tectonic change for many schools.

1:39.7

And according to Smithsonian magazine, which

1:42.2

is written extensively about this,

1:44.0

open quote, the pandemic sped up changes that were already afoot.

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