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Plain English with Derek Thompson

The Men Who Think Toxic Feminism Destroyed America

Plain English with Derek Thompson

The Ringer

News, News Commentary

4.72.1K Ratings

🗓️ 22 May 2026

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Summary

Over the past century, attitudes about gender roles have become one of the clearest dividing lines in the country. Many Republicans, both men and women, say men are getting a raw deal in modern America. Many Democrats see that claim as completely off base. So where does that split come from, and why has it become so central to politics? Journalist Helen Lewis calls this emerging worldview “masculinism,” an ideology that pushes back against feminism and reflects a broader nostalgia for traditional gender roles. Today, Lewis joins Derek to talk about the rise of this phenomenon and what it reveals about the growing schism in American politics. Subscribe to our YouTube channel here:  https://www.youtube.com/@PlainEnglishwithDerekThompson If you have questions, observations, or ideas for future episodes, email us at PlainEnglish@Spotify.com. Host: Derek Thompson Guest: Helen Lewis Producer: Devon Baroldi Additional Production Support: Ben Glicksman Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hey, everybody. Plain English is going to have one episode next week, the week of Memorial Day.

0:10.2

We're going to skip our Tuesday episode and talk to you on Friday. After that, we'll be back to our regular schedule.

0:14.7

So just so you know, we'll see you Tuesday, but we'll talk to you Friday.

0:20.2

In 1920, the U.S. ratified the 19th Amendment, which gave women the right to vote.

0:26.9

But for the first few decades, women did not vote like a new or individual group.

0:31.1

Many of them did not bother to vote at all.

0:33.8

When they voted, they typically voted like men.

0:36.7

Most specifically, they voted like their husbands.

0:39.5

In 1940, the pollstered George Gallup said this of women's voting behavior. Quote,

0:45.4

how will they vote on election day? Just exactly as they were told the night before.

0:52.2

End quote. In the 1960s and 1970s, however, with the rise of modern feminism, this started to shift.

0:59.1

In 1980, it changed for good.

1:01.8

Under Ronald Reagan, the Republican Party moved right on a handful of issues that women

1:05.4

cared deeply about.

1:06.9

The GOP came out against the Equal Rights Amendment, embraced an anti-abortion position,

1:11.8

and merged with conservative Christianity to criticize working women

1:15.2

as an attack on traditional family structure.

1:18.8

Reagan won in a walk, but he lost women by eight percentage points.

1:24.5

Only then, the following year, did the Washington Post first coined the term gender gap.

1:31.5

That gender gap hasn't gone away. By several measures, it's grown to a double-digit divide.

1:36.8

In 2024, John Seidz, a political scientist at Vanderbilt University, told me that while the

1:42.1

gender gap is real, it's not the biggest

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