This week on the Andrew Yang podcast.

The problem is not that we have technology in our lives.

The problem is when it's supplanting real life.

You know, the faith, the family, the friendship, the relationships that we actually, with our colleagues that we actually have in work in real life.

That's what we actually need. That's the real problem that we have.

So here's the basic rule when it comes to technology. If it substitutes for your in-person

relationships, it's bad and it'll make you unhappy. It'll make you sad. If it

complements your relationships, it's fine. It is a thrill to welcome back to the podcast.

Number one, New York Times bestselling author, I want to say, a Harvard professor of practice

at both the Kennedy School and the business school.

You might know him from his Atlantic column about the meaning of life and

how to live better. Arthur C. Brooks. Welcome back, Arthur. Hey, Andrew, nice to see you as always.

Well, you're looking well. You look like you're aging in reverse. What's the secret? You know,

I have a portrait of myself in the closet that is very haggard and worn. Right back at you, you also look great, very trim.

You know, it's a, I'm living with my grandchildren now. Holy crap. Yeah, for you. Yeah. It's like I didn't

think that I would be changing diapers of 61, but here you are. Well, that makes you an above average

grandparent because my parents don't change shit. Yeah. It's great. Do they live in the same house, their grandchildren?

No.

This is the best. One of the great seekers to happiness. But we're getting ahead of ourselves. Oh, I'm with you. One of the things that got me into public life was you have kids and then you realize the most important thing is having family members who want to spend time with said kids. It's one reason why I think some absurd percentage of Americans live within 50 miles away they were born.

Right.

Is that as soon as you have kids, you're just like, I need freaking relatives around. Yeah. And I thought my family was awesome until I had kids. And I was like, where are they? Well, hello. No one home. No, it's actually amazing. We had a, the research is super clear on this, really, really clear on this. That if you, if you live, it's great for grandparents to be around their grandchildren. Great for the grandchildren to be around the grandparents. Great for the parents. Yes. To have the grandparents proximate. So we had a big family meeting and we said, where are you guys going to raise your kids? Wow. Because my kids got married young. My two older sons got

married to 22 and 23 and 23. And started having kids at 23 and 24. Raised them Catholic. They do Catholic stuff, you know. And so all my three, my youngest is 22 now, but she's a Marine Corps officer. But we had this big meeting. You know, where do you want to raise your kids? And they wanted to raise their kids where they were raised,

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