This is the Busted Open podcast.

Welcome to the Busted Open podcast, the master's class.

And we're here with our Masters of the Ring, Tommy Dreamer and Mark Henry.

And today's master's class is going to be a little bit different.

We did an interview with Greg Gagne.

And Greg Gagne talked about, unfortunately, how him and his dad

with the AWA, with pro wrestling USA over the years and over the decades. For the lack of a

better term, screwed. Screwed by what? The handshake deal. Where you figure loyalty and the bond

is like glue. And it turns out it's not but before we get

to that interview with gray ganya i want to talk to you tommy and you mark about that same thing where

sometimes people take loyalty as a weakness so so, Mark, I'll start with you.

When did you get screwed by, quote, unquote, the handshake deal?

Dave, it's been a bunch of times.

Like, when I was very young, never had any concept of money.

I came from poverty.

My mother never made more than $12,000 in a year.

And when I say PO, I say P-O, we couldn't afford the OR.

Like we was po.

And when I came toin and people knew who i was they used me um simple using

sometimes but for like you know there were people that did a guy did an endorsement deal

uh where i would come and i'd there were people that did, a guy did an endorsement deal

where I would come and I would go and speak to these kids

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