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Was this ending always the plan for Darben?

No.

Oh.

So there was always going to be an epic death just because in terms of um i just think in

terms of like just bringing that story psychologically for carol like to reclose i think was always the

best thing you know you don't want to think, did she defeat her?

Is this over? Is she going to be kind of doomed to this life of feeling guilty about this whole thing,

you know, forever and ever? Was she going to get this redemptive moment where Dub ends out of the

picture? And then she gets to almost take on the mantle of what she was trying to do. You know, it's a really redemptive arc for that character.

Zahui, thank you so much for hanging with us on Phase Zero.

We really appreciate you talking Marvel with us.

It's literally my pleasure.

We haven't been able to talk about it at all.

I know.

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