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Sign up now to listen at slate.com slash mood. Hello and welcome back to Big Mood, Little Mood.

I'm your host, Danny M. Lavery, and with me in the studio this week is Gina Green, a strategist, consultant slash movement builder, now helping Jewish and other organizations change through her new firm Uprise.

She's also the co-host, along with Lynn Harris, of the Jewish Advice podcast, A Bintel Brief. Gina, welcome to the show. Thank you. It is so great to be here. I am so pleased that you're here, and I'm also pleased because for a brief moment, I was able to take credit for the phrase, get off the cross, we need the wood. And that made me feel incredibly good about myself because it was just like, yeah, that would be really clever if I had come up with that.

When I read it, I was like, wow, that's really good. Whoever came up with that. And now you're

telling me that it is an old saying. It's been around the block several times. You know,

unfortunately, I think at this point

like any new observations about the crucifixion like they've just all they've they've come up

it's been long enough at this point that that that probably no one's going to arrive at like a

fresh fresh take there's no new fresh takes in the crucifixion imagine that one could

always be wrong.

There's so often in life, there's more to learn.

But I do think this one has been like pretty thoroughly excavated.

You might be accurate.

You might be right on that point.

It's possible.

Well, given that, how would you feel about reading that first letter?

Let's do it.

Shall I?

Hop right in.

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