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Hello and welcome to Political Thinking.

My guess this week is better known, he's more trusted, he's arguably more influential

than many politicians.

Chief executives and chancellors of the Exchequer have good reason to fear what Martin Lewis

says, the founder of the Money Saving Expert website and the newsletter has many millions

of followers who hang on his conclusions about how, yes, they should be saving money.

The FT once dubbed in the most successful journalist in the world ever.

He's called the current cost of living crisis, shocking and scary and anxiety driving and

he warned at one stage that he was running out of tips to help people to get through

it.

Martin Lewis, welcome to Political Thinking.

I'm going to, can I speak straight away?

Of course you can speak at any time.

Because as a political man I'm going to, that very last phrase you said, what I actually

said technically and I was talking about energy bills and the poorest is I said I am virtually

out of tools.

That was not an accidental phrase because in the room at the same time on the Sunday

Morning Show was Rishi Sonak and I looked across at him when I said it and it was very

nuanced because obviously my job, there are many things that many people can do but the

difficulty right now is on energy bills and is the poorest in society for whom there

isn't much left and that was a button throw.

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