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There is as yet no Martin Luther King, no Rosa Parks, no visible, let alone well-known

leader of the movement. Some up in those three words, in the chant, the slogan, the hashtag,

Black Lives Matter. Yet veterans of the civil rights movement believe this may be the most

consequential political uprising they've seen since the 1960s. Absent conventional leaders,

the voices being increasingly heard are those of young people who've taken to the streets in

vast numbers in cities across the globe, and those are black men and women who've already trived

on our screens in our universities and in our stadiums. Marrow Atouji, the towering star of England's

pack, is one such figure. Super Marrow, as he became known, when England humbled the all blacks in

last year's rugby world cup. He is just 26 years old. He's already won four premiership titles

through European cups and been involved in two six nation's triumphs. He's tipped to captain

the British and Irish Lions on their forthcoming tour. Off the pitch, though, he's a student of politics,

a fan of political podcasts, and he's used his social media feed recently to express his views

this week, inviting Afro-Caribbean charities to collaborate and make some change. Marrow Atouji,

welcome to political thinking. Thank you, Nick. Thank you very much for having me.

Now, have you managed to use the lockdown to give a bit more time to what almost seems to be your

second love, not rugby, but politics? The lockdown has definitely given me a bit more time to reflect.

Politics is everywhere at the moment, whether it's UK, domestic, abroad, Africa,

US, Nigeria, there's a lot of stuff happening. It's definitely given me a bit more time to be

reflective of what's going on, reflective of my own situation and reflective of life in general.

Having had time to think about politics, how were you affected when you saw this

video that has gone right around the world, which has triggered so much protest around the world,

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