All right, everybody, we are back. It is Jack Murphy. This is the Jack Murphy live show.

I apologize for a little bit of the delay at the beginning there for our live show. We had some audio issues,

which we have resolved now. And today I have a very special guest. He is an old friend,

someone that most of you know very well. His name is Michael Cernovich. How you doing today,

bud? Doing a while, thank you.

It's really great to have you on the show.

It's great to talk to you.

We have a lot to talk about.

We go back a long ways, Mike, and I have seen your journey and your process

from a perspective that not a lot of other people have.

So it's been fascinating for me to see and I think that people are going to be really

interested to hear from you maybe through a little bit of my perspective as well.

So one of the things I wanted to start off with was just to get an idea of how do you describe yourself today, Mike, right? Because I want to go back and see how we got here but how do you describe yourself today in terms of sort of like what do you do?

Well that's a hard question in real life I just tell people I'm a personal entry lawyer because if somebody gets in a car crash I can refer the case out and I do keep my law license active.

But otherwise it's been kind of a challenge since 2015,

because in real life, you know me,

I don't like to get engaged in these long conversations

of people.

So if you say, oh, I'm a writer, they'll say, what do you write about?

Mindset, what's mindset? Man, I'm a writer. They'll say, what do you write about? Mindset, what's mindset? Man, I'm not trying to make

friends with new people, right? I don't know who you are. So in terms of real life, I just lawyer, personal entry lawyers,

real easy to move past.

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