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18 Plus, subscription required. Ari Berman's got a name for what he does. He calls himself a genealogist of many centuries of anti-democratic tactics and movements.

To be specific, Ari is a voting rights reporter at Mother Jones.

He's written a new book, Minority Rule. It's all about how our political

system got the way it is today. Anyway, as a political genealogist of a sort, Ari's been trying

to trace the family tree of Trumpism.

And that's what took me to this lovely C-SPAN archives in the 1990s.

Who are you looking for there?

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