This is an I-Heart podcast.

This is Lee Habib, and this is our American stories.

This next story, well, it's our rule of law series where we tell

stories about what happens when the rule of law is present or absent in our lives.

And Alex today brings us an unusual story from a guy named Bill Koch, an entrepreneur

with 1,300 employees. Here's Bill. You know, what I really like, if you look at a great painting,

you can tell the love the artist did in creating it.

And to me, that's precious.

And that's what creates, in my opinion, great art.

You know, is the love for what the artist was doing. And then food,

too, you know, with an outstanding chef, you could taste that, oh my God, this tastes

differently, because he put a lot of love into it, which means he put a lot of energy and thought

and everything else into it. And the same with a bricklayer. You know, if he really loves his work,

he takes a little extra care in doing it other than slapping it together. And the same thing

with wine. The great wine she could really taste the love that the vintner had in making

it. And so that to me is highly offensive when someone is faking it.

Bill found out that four bottles that were sold to him as Thomas Jefferson's were fake.

And then he found out that more were too.

There's a huge code of silence because the faker doesn't want to know that he's faking.

The middleman who's selling the wine doesn't really want to know if it's fake.

In fact, there was one big auction house that was selling a lot of wine in New York in auctions and they had to

have this retailer deal with them to get through the laws and the guy who owns

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