Brian Ler on WNYC, there's been some significant Trump on trial news in the last two days, notably

the gag order yesterday for Trump continuing to target an assistant to the judge in the

New York business fraud case.

The judge said Trump was putting the assistant at risk of physical violence and also yesterday

an architect of the election denial plot in Congress, as you probably heard, became speaker

of the House.

Meanwhile, it's probably no surprise to listeners of the show that the conservative legal movement

in the United States is stronger than it's ever been.

There is, of course, the conservative majority on the Supreme Court stacked up during Donald

Trump's tenure.

But one man has played a far more significant role in pushing the American judiciary to

the right, and he's done it far less publicly.

His name is Leonard Leo, and his reach extends far beyond the Supreme Court.

Decades ago, he knew he would have to go deeper than just those nine justices, and he decided

that jurists need to decide the right cases brought by the right lawyers, lawyers on the

right, and heard by the right lower court judges.

And all that would head up to a conservative Supreme Court, and then there's his activism

at the state court level.

So he's the subject of a new podcast called We Don't Talk About Leonard.

And who else could have uncovered such a fascinating covert political operation, but our former

WNYC colleagues, Ilya Maritz and Andrea Bernstein, known to you probably for their WNYC

podcast series, Trump Inc.

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