The Man Who (Relentlessly) Sued the NFL Has Receipts: A Sitdown with DeMaurice Smith
Pablo Torre Finds Out
Pablo Torre
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🗓️ 28 April 2026
⏱️ 59 minutes
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Summary
Secret salary caps. Accidental email attachments. Truth-serum texts from owners. Slide decks for ESPN. If anyone knows how to dork-out on billionaires taking your money — and documenting their greed — it's the former NFL Players Association boss who negotiated $100 billion for athletes... and sued the sh*t out of The Shield. With his union now plagued by scandal — and America as unregulated as ever — De Smith enters the studio in Gladiator Mode.
• Read "Turf Wars" by DeMaurice Smith
Previously on PTFO:
• Part I: The NFL's Secret Collusion Case, Revealed
• Part II: We Sparked an NFL Union Crisis. Here's the Sequel.
• Part III: We Followed the Money in the NFL Union Scandal. So Did the FBI.
• Part IV: We Investigated the Hollywood Cover-Up the NFLPA Ignored
• Part V: The Silenced Top Cop and the Cabal of "Strip-Club Dreams"
• Plus: The State of the (NFL) Union, with Mike Florio
• The Sporting Class: Are NFL Players Ready to Strike?
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to Pablo Torre finds out. |
| 0:02.0 | I am Pablo Torre, and today we're going to find out what this sound is. |
| 0:06.6 | The story of sport is that management colludes. |
| 0:11.7 | Right after this ad. |
| 0:19.8 | Reading this again last night just reminded me of how much I hate the league. |
| 0:27.9 | I had forgotten how, what's the word, clinical. |
| 0:34.7 | Yeah. |
| 0:37.0 | You're mouthing the words, fuck them. Fuck them. Yeah. You're mouthing the words, fuck them. |
| 0:39.8 | Fuck them. |
| 0:41.7 | I just, everybody has fallen into this trap, and I call it a death spiral, where you believe that in order to square your morality, |
| 0:55.0 | you now talk like you are Johnny private equity. |
| 0:58.9 | How the billionaires who run sports, who run the NFL, |
| 1:02.4 | talk about sports and the business |
| 1:04.5 | is a big part of why I wanted to do this with you. |
| 1:07.2 | We're living in a country right now |
| 1:09.6 | where it is undeniable that a large swath of people are broke |
| 1:15.1 | so i'm not asking people out there to feel sorry for NFL players they have it almost better than |
| 1:21.2 | anyone else in the country and that's because they have a labor union right they? They have a labor union. So NFL players get about |
| 1:30.5 | 50 cents on every dollar of revenue that they generate. It is a delight to be across the desk |
| 1:37.4 | finally from DeMora Smith as he has his marker and is muttering under his breath while going |
| 1:42.5 | through a ruling, going through a collusion arbitration ruling. |
| 1:46.7 | You see how quickly I have been waiting to get |
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