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The whole idea of a Reagan presidency, I think Meyer came up with that before Ronald Reagan did.

And of course, that came about after his death.

So he really laid the seeds for a lot of good things that happened for conservatives.

He just didn't live long enough to

enjoy them. This is your host, Scott Bertram. Welcome to the Radio Free Hillsdale Hour, part of the

Hillsdale College Podcast Network. That was Daniel J. Flynn, author of the new book, The Man Who

Invented Conservatism, the Unlikely Life of Frank

S. Meyer. We'll talk with Daniel in-depth about that book coming up later on today's program.

First, we're joined by Dr. Jonathan Gregg. He is Assistant Professor of Education at Hillsdale

College, Project Director of the Archimedes Standards. Dr. Greg, thanks so much for

joining us. Thanks for having me. Talking today about an essay you co-wrote with David Randall

over at realcleareducation.com, the alarming decay of mathematical competency in America. Why should everyday Americans, parents, taxpayers, even

those people without kids in school? Why should we care about math standards? Yeah, that's a great

question. I think on the surface, there's very little reason to care about math standards. We don't

see them show up in our everyday lives. We don't see them show up in our everyday lives.

We don't see them. We probably don't even know what they what they say. But I think the real issue is

that math standards lie upstream from so many things that we actually do care about, where certainly

they lie upstream of things like curriculum,

which people do start to see showing up in their homes and their students bring home math

problems. It lies upstream of certainly achievement, pedagogy, but even just the kinds of

things that show up in our everyday lives. Like, for example, I was at the bank a few days ago, and the teller had a hard time counting

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