The Man, The Myth, The Mushroom: Storytime with the Founder of Four Sigmatic, Tero Isokauppila — Real Chalk #50
Barbell Shrugged
Doug Larson
4.7 • 2.8K Ratings
🗓️ 20 November 2018
⏱️ 66 minutes
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Summary
Tero Isokauppila knows more about mushrooms than you ever thought possible, and he breaks it all down in ways that the average human can understand. (Don't want to be an average human? Start drinking mushroom coffee.) Originally from Finland, Tero has farming and science in his blood, and he brings this heritage to bear in everything he does with his company, Four Sigmatic. It's his goal to improve people's life quality, using nutrition as a stepping stone to whole-person wellness.
His new book, Santa Sold Shrooms, will be published soon and it will blow your mind. We talk about the origin of the Santa Claus story we know today (hint: it involves psychedelic mushrooms), and dive into the controversial possibility that well-known religions were based on mushroom-induced hallucinations.
Tero explains the meaning of Four Sigmatic, how cordyceps were discovered, and why you shouldn't eat raw mushrooms—using a semen analogy—as well as how foods become superfoods and why we need to care about eye health. It's an info-packed episode that will make you feel smarter before you've even started drinking Lion's Mane. Get educated!
Episode Highlights:
2:50 🍄 Tero's origins: degrees, parents, heritage
4:20 🍄 Why natural supplements don't appeal to athletes, but adaptogens are different
7:00 🍄 Some science-y sh*t about nutrient density, and what "four sigmatic" means
9:10 🍄 If you give a yak a mushroom...(how cordyceps was discovered)
11:15 🍄 Why you shouldn't eat raw mushrooms (there's a sperm analogy in here)
13:15 🍄 The cure for cancer is...mushrooms??
17:00 🍄 The new marketing landscape, and how information spreads
18:50 🍄 The four mushroom pillars
21:40 🍄 The next uncharted territories: eye health, immunity
28:00 🍄 The different kinds of magic mushrooms
29:40 🍄 What we currently know about mushrooms' effect on the brain
31:50 🍄 The evolution of Santa Sold Shrooms
33:40 🍄 Details and spoilers
35:00 🍄 What do mushrooms have to do with religion? More than you might think
38:15 🍄 Rock-, plastic-, and oil spill-eating mushrooms
41:30 🍄 How a food gets to be super (Tero hates the word "superfood," by the way)
45:00 🍄 The Four Sigmatic process, and how to sniff out a bullsh*t product
49:00 🍄 Don't buy protein powder from China.
54:50 🍄 What a mushroom newbie needs to know
57:00 🍄 Books and other resources
Enjoy-
Ryan
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| 0:00.0 | Ladies and gentlemen, it is Tuesday. It's time for the Real Chalk podcast because that's what we do on Tuesdays. |
| 0:08.4 | I'm so excited to introduce Mr. Taro. I can't really say his last name, but the guy owns four-sigmatic coffee, which is a big deal, |
| 0:16.4 | which also makes it a very big deal that I could get him on my show because he's a very important man. |
| 0:21.6 | This guy knows more about mushrooms than anybody that you know, but he also is really, really good at breaking it down |
| 0:28.2 | so that everybody can understand it. We have all the questions that you could possibly have about mushroom coffee, about mushrooms in general. |
| 0:34.6 | We talk about hallucinogenic mushrooms as well, but very, very shortly. |
| 0:39.0 | And then he wrote a new book called Santa Sold Shrooms. Interested yet? |
| 0:44.6 | I read the book. It was very, very interesting. And there were so many things in there that just blew my mind. |
| 0:52.2 | So I had to bring up some of those things. Then we get into just some weird stuff, but also very, very, very interesting. |
| 0:58.6 | The guy is intense. So when I say intense, he's not like high energy, but he's got some really good feedback. |
| 1:05.8 | So I can't imagine you. I can't imagine you listening to this show and not expanding your brain and getting super, super excited. |
| 1:13.4 | So get ready for this one. It's going to be a wild ride. And I'm going to be with you for the entire time. Get ready. Here we go. |
| 1:20.2 | Before we start the show, I want to talk about our friends over a bio optimizer. I got the chance to meet the owners of this company this weekend, which really, really makes me excited when it comes to sponsorship. |
| 1:31.4 | Because not only now, do I know so much about the product, but I also know so much about the owners, which really helps me like love the product even more. |
| 1:42.2 | So I have so much knowledge when it comes to program design and working out and getting bigger and the supplements that aid to that, but I have never really known all that much about digestion and probiotics. |
| 1:55.0 | And a lot of these supplements that are kind of on the deal when it comes to getting jacked if for lack of a better word. |
| 2:02.2 | It's just not the number one thing that comes up, but it's very interesting to me that it doesn't come up more often because if you're not digesting your protein, you're not really getting anything out of all that much. |
| 2:12.0 | That money that you're spending. So in my opinion, after talking to them and doing the research and actually reading some of the research across many different journal articles. |
| 2:22.8 | A lot of us really aren't digesting all that much of our protein. So they do have a product called mass times. So obviously mass is going to put some more mass on you. |
| 2:31.8 | And those supplements right there will help you absorb all that meat if you're like me and you're eating a pound plus of meat a day might help you absorb all of it, but it's going to help you absorb a hell of a lot more than if you didn't have it at all. |
| 2:43.6 | I've been using it now for a month and a half maybe and I definitely feel a big difference as far as how bloated I feel after eating a huge meal. |
| 2:54.0 | I don't really usually care if I get bloated after a big meal. I just want to feel full, but if you do the research on that, that's actually not a good thing. |
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