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The Good, The Bad & The Rugby

The Man. The Myth. The Lions Legend - Finlay Calder

The Good, The Bad & The Rugby

Folding Pocket

Sports News, Sports, Rugby, News

4.52.5K Ratings

🗓️ 24 June 2025

⏱️ 66 minutes

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Summary

This week we are honoured to host the inspirational Finlay Calder OBE, captain of the iconic 1989 British & Irish Lions! Prepare for a journey back to one of rugby's most legendary tours. Finlay, a man known for being "as hard as granite but famously humble," opens up about the raw truth behind the Lions' historic feat: coming from 1-0 down to win the series in Australia, a record that still stands. Hear the incredible inside story of the "Battle of Ballymore," the pivotal "if you step down, I step down" moment that cemented his leadership, and the crucial changes that transformed a defeated team into winners. Finlay shares candid insights into his "old school, fire and brimstone" captaincy, the unique camaraderie forged amidst fierce competition, and the mercurial talent of Jerry Guscott, whom he hails as the "most influential man in Lions rugby." Finlay's Lions account is packed with rugby folklore, leadership lessons, and emotional reflections on his greatest moment in the game. Plus, hear his advice for current Lions captain Maro Itoje and who is the greatest of the Lions leaders. Season 5 is Sponsored by Continental Tyres 00:00:00 🛞 Meet the Legend 00:04:11 🔴 Becoming Lions Captain 00:07:59 🔥 The First Test 00:13:30 🍩Donal’s Donuts 00:15:14 🥲Finlay’s attempted resignation 00:17:05 🧱Jerry Guscottt selected for 2nd test. 00:30:13 🩸The Battle of Ballymore 00:38:43 🦘The Decider 00:53:03 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 Mighty Mouse Tribute ⌚WOB Group Competition - https://forms.gle/FgVKoWvgCQB7b4PL7 🦁O’Neill’s Live Show - https://www.eventbrite.com/e/gbr-x-oneills-mens-lions-preview-show-tickets-1408518439569?aff=oddtdtcreator 🇦🇺Sydney Live Show https://moshtix.com.au/v2/event/the-good-the-bad-the-rugby-%E2%80%93-live-show/181667?previewId=A6935A80-427F-11F0-B10D-EFE2262313DD 🧡 GBR Tour https://myticket.co.uk/artists/the-good-the-bad-the-rugby Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

We are honoured to host a rare beast in our studio, a Lions winning captain.

0:05.0

Lindley Calder.

0:06.0

We were in first name terms of the supporters.

0:07.0

I'm not saying we put the Lions back on the map, but I certainly think we played a huge part in that.

0:11.0

Yeah.

0:12.0

What kind of captain were you for Scotland for the Lions?

0:14.0

I was old school.

0:15.0

Fire and Brimstone.

0:16.0

Fire.

0:17.0

This team was coming out of three years, coming out, the changing room.

0:19.0

Just great toxic atmosphere I'll remember this till the day I die

0:22.1

we went to select the team for the second test

0:24.4

and all Clive said was Finn

0:26.5

if you step down I step down

0:28.8

also

0:29.2

wow wow

0:30.5

two minutes into a game you know how it's going to go

0:34.4

two minutes into the second test

0:36.6

I knew we're going to win the series.

0:38.6

Into the final moments, Alex Payne trying to keep this side going forward.

0:42.3

Haskell takes it on now with just relentless chat largely about himself.

0:46.2

And there's Tyndall to add the finishing touch of glamour and World Cup winning stories.

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