Hello. Hello, this is Alistair Begg from Truth for Life.

Recently, I sat down with Jonathan Carswell from 10 of those publishing.

We talked about the origins of my illustration of the man on the Middle Cross,

which is now available as a booklet

that could be shared widely. I hope you enjoy listening, and here's Jonathan.

Hi, my name is Jonathan Cariswell from ten others.com, and I'm here with Alisa Beck,

Bible teacher for truth for life

and pastor. Thank you for joining us. Alistair, if anyone's been on the internet for the last

few years, they've probably seen the clip of the man on the middle cross, that illustration

that you told. Would you give us a little bit of a background of that because it's been seen by

millions of people? Was it in your notes? Did you throw it in later? Did you think it was going to be a

no? No, no, not at all. Actually, I was, if truth really be told, I found myself increasingly

frustrated as I was trying to get across that

essential truth. And no, I didn't have it in my notes and I had thought it before. And I just

reached for it in a sense out of desperation, never imagining that it would actually be the

turning key for the other 35 minutes that I had tried to explain the Bible.

We're going to talk in a moment about becoming a small evangelistic book, a book that could be

given to those who don't yet know that they can come.

But would you just explain a little bit of your thought process as you go into the pulpit?

Something that I've noticed is, you know, you're bringing the gospel through all the time.

Obviously, a lot of your audience will be trusting in Jesus. Right. But you always

need to be aware that there are those that aren't. And without ever missing that, you use that

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