The Man at the Center of the Storm: An Interview with the CEO of NSO

Unholy: Two Jews on the News

Unholy Media

News, Yonit Levi, News Commentary, Society & Culture, Jews, Religion & Spirituality, Israel, Jewish, Judaism, Israel Podcast, Middle East, Jonathan Freedland, Documentary

4.7 • 770 Ratings

🗓️ 11 February 2022

⏱️ 49 minutes

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Summary

In an exclusive interview, Yonit and Jonathan question Shalev Hulio, the CEO of the NSO Group, the Israeli company that has become one of the most controversial in the world. NSO sells spyware to governments across the globe for use, it says, against criminals and terrorists. But media organisations and human rights groups say Pegasus hacking software has been deployed against dissidents, journalists and activists. Hulio answers those allegations, tells us what explains the US government blacklisting of his company and sets out his view that the failure of the NSO could open the door to a more dangerous world. For this week's chutzpah award, Yonit pursues a culinary theme - nominating the US Congresswoman who confused soup with stormtroopers. While Jonathan's choice for mensch stays much closer to home. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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0:00.0	Hello, I'm Unite Leviev channel 12 in Tel Aviv.
0:15.8	And I'm Jonathan Friedland of The Guardian in London.
0:19.1	And we are unholy.
0:20.7	Two Jews on the News from Keshe Podcasts.
0:22.7	Hi, Jonathan.
0:23.6	And hi, Yonit.
0:24.9	How are you doing?
0:26.1	How is your one-person COVID recovery plan going?
0:30.2	I'm actually working pretty well.
0:32.6	I'm out of quarantine.
0:34.5	I'm COVID-free.
0:36.6	It's been an interesting, challenging week, but I actually...
0:40.3	And our viewers of Channel 12 News seeing you on the air?
0:43.3	Are you that much?
0:44.7	They are. So you're probably there.
0:45.6	Happy or not, they have me back.
0:47.8	And yes, it's been...
0:49.7	I think there was a day or two of feeling a little bit like off kind of tired but the rest was pretty
0:56.5	you know i i think i had a relatively very easy case uh which is a good thing and i always uh i don't
1:03.3	want to sound it's a very swift turnaround actually if you think about it was last week you had it
1:07.7	now you're back at work it is compared to where we were when
1:11.1	the all's all started and everyone was talking about 10 days two weeks here you are and uh anyway
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