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Living with the Gods

The Making of Meaning

Living with the Gods

BBC

History

4.7616 Ratings

🗓️ 15 November 2017

⏱️ 14 minutes

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Summary

Neil MacGregor continues his series about the expression of shared beliefs with a focus on how we come to comprehend sacred images.

Our understanding of the rock art created by the San people of southern Africa over many centuries is helped by written accounts, so that what first appears to be an image of a hunting expedition becomes a record of a spiritual journey into another realm of experience. "For many years it was a matter of gaze and guess," says David Lewis Williams, an authority on rock art: "You gaze at it, and if you gaze long enough, your guess will take you close to what it's all about - and I'm afraid that's not the case, but we don't have to gaze and guess any more."

In the British Museum, a small 19th century Japanese shrine shows the spirits coming to visit a long-settled agricultural society. The curved doors of a small wooden box open to reveal, inside, a shimmering world of carved gilded wood, and a scene to which Japanese viewers would bring different interpretations.

Producer Paul Kobrak

Produced in partnership with the British Museum Photograph (c) The Trustees of the British Museum.

Transcript

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0:00.0

We're looking for meaning. Meaning is, you know, that's what art for me is about, it's about making

0:04.7

meaning. It's about trying to kind of give some fragile foothold in the moment in the kind

0:12.0

of chaos of life. Hello, I'm Neil McGregor, and in this series of podcasts, I'm looking at

0:18.3

objects to see how shared beliefs have helped shape societies. Now we're

0:24.8

focusing on images. In this episode, we're looking at how we interpret images. This is the BBC.

0:34.7

The green man at the traffic lights, the uniform of a policeman, the logo of a fast food chain or the cross on a church steeple, walking along the street in any city and the world, we're expected to decode and to understand dozens, if not hundreds, of signs and signifiers, and we readily do so.

0:55.0

We've learnt what they mean, but that meaning depends overwhelmingly on shared conventions.

1:01.0

Without those conventions, we'll miss critically important information.

1:06.0

It's the same with gestures.

1:08.0

In some countries of the Middle East, a nod of the head means no, while in others,

1:13.0

shaking your head means yes. You just need to know. Somebody has to tell you. We need to learn

1:20.8

visual languages, just as we learn spoken ones. And in this program, I want to look at images

1:27.4

created in societies where, for me,

1:29.6

as a Western observer, I don't understand the visual language. For many years, it was a matter

1:37.6

of gaze and guess. You gaze at it, and if you gaze long enough, your guess is going to

1:42.3

be right as to what it's all about.

1:46.1

And I'm afraid that's not the case.

1:51.8

David Lewis Williams, Professor Emeritus at the University of Vitwatersrand in Johannesburg,

1:54.4

is an authority on San Rock Art.

2:02.8

Across southern Africa, you find this art painted on the rock in thousands of caves and shelters ranging over many centuries.

2:10.1

It was created by the San, the people misleadingly and pejoratively, described by Europeans as Bushmen.

2:16.2

The San were hunter-gatherers, and when you first encounter one of their rock art paintings, it can be difficult to know what you're looking at.

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