People there constantly hire him behind this Quinn's way and it pisses me off.

Everything good and bad always comes out under pressure and game day. So what you do in the week will come out. He really does. He's not a kid anymore, Mark. No. And hopefully he doesn't. Hopefully he doesn't because if they lose him, they are in the sht. What would be really interesting to see is how a progressive, modern player, newly retired, has his own journey, has been burnt by people in the game.

How does he manage that? How does he develop? see is how a progressive, modern player, newly retired, has his own journey, has been burnt by

people in the game. How does he manage that? How does he develop? I think it's a perfect

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during your career start looking at the sort of corner office of sport? And what steps did you

take at what point to get to where you are now? Yeah, I'd say, I'd say very early on in my career,

I knew that I needed to have something prepared for when I finished, whenever that was. I was

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