That's why painting is so magical to me,

because no matter when the painting was made,

you're standing in the exact same spot

that the artist was, you know, hundreds of years earlier,

if you think of like Teapala or something.

You're standing, you know, a foot away from the canvas just where he stood as he applied each little

skin of paint and then went home and dealt with bills and daily life

and had a glass of wine and a scampy and all that,

you know.

So we're very connected in that way.

So the physical part of standing in front of a painting to me is the beginning and the end of the story.

Welcome to Art Juice. This is honest, generous and humorous conversations that will feed your creative soul and get you thinking with me Alice Sheridan.

Me Louise Fletcher.

And today we have got a very special conversation

to bring you that we had with Brian Ruttenberg.

Now, he describes himself as a southern landscape painter, but for the last 20 plus years he has been living in New York creating work from his studio and his book Clear seeing Place was on our Art Juice recommended books list from episode 38.

And Louise had a little bit of a star-struck moment and we were talking about the

podcast and what we'd really like and she said it wouldn't it be great to if

somebody like Brian came on and I said well why don't you just ask him and he said yes too much

excitement and he has been a complete delight in every email correspondent, Louise says.

And this is just a really fantastic conversation

which we know you are going to enjoy.

...