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The magic of maths

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BBC

News Commentary, Science, Mathematics, News

4.63.7K Ratings

🗓️ 17 August 2013

⏱️ 10 minutes

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Summary

Tim Harford speaks to Persi Diaconis, top professor of maths and statistics and legendary magician. The Stanford University professor and co-author of the book "Magical Mathematics" has an enthralling story to tell of how he discovered magic as a boy, and then, as a consequence, a love of maths. And to illustrate how closely maths and magic are linked, Crossing Continents editor and the BBC's in-house magician, Hugh Levinson, performs a mathemagical card trick - see the performance below. This programme was broadcast on the BBC World Service. The interview was recorded in 2011.

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0:00.0

Thank you for downloading from the BBC.

0:04.0

The details of our complete range of podcasts and our terms of use go to BBCWorldService.com

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Slash Podcasts.

0:14.0

Hello and welcome to more or less on the BBC World Service.

0:18.0

We're your guide to the numbers that surround us in the news and in life.

0:22.0

And I'm Tim Harford.

0:24.0

It's a trick that I've studied and developed hidden behind it

0:28.0

and rather elegant mathematics, it's not so hard.

0:32.0

We're honoured to have a guest appearance from a top of professor of maths and statistics.

0:37.0

Percy Diaconis is by all accounts of brilliant mathematician and a brilliant magician.

0:42.0

Before we speak to the great man himself, I've booked another special treat.

0:46.0

Someone who can demonstrate one of Percy's tricks right in front of my eyes.

0:51.0

The editor of Crossing Continent, Hugh Levinson, doubles as the BBC's in-house magician.

0:57.0

Now, you've seen these cards, they're completely normal cards.

1:01.0

I'd like you to take off, I'd know about a third of the deck, something like that.

1:05.0

Okay, so I've got 20 or so cards in my hand.

1:07.0

What we're going to do is we're going to mix them in six different ways.

1:11.0

And what I like to do is to shuffle overhand.

1:13.0

So just the regular...

1:15.0

Regular, incredibly comfortable shuffle.

1:17.0

And that's what I do.

1:18.0

Okay, right, so I've done that.

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