From KCRW and KCRW.com, I'm Bob Carlson, and this is unfictional.

Unfictional is KCRW's program of stories and originalaries from KCRW's Independent Producer Project,

a laboratory for independent radio producers, writers, and performers.

And today on the program, Stories From Beyond the Wall of Sleep.

Prodoser Niva Grant takes a nocturnal trip with a group of people who have mastered the ability to explore the boundless world of dreams and she

tries to learn to do it herself. On KCRW's unfictional, this is The Lucid

Dreamers.

One of the first things lucid dreamers tell you is that it's a blast.

If you can imagine just running as fast as you can and then thinking you can't go any faster and then you do go faster and you're in the air and you feel everything. You feel the wind rushing you feel that feeling in your gut.

It is fun, yeah yeah because it's so

incredibly vivid and there's so much light and detail and you just feel on the

high. Yeah it's really euphoric it's a happy experience It's because you're flying, you know, who doesn't want to fly?

So there comes this freedom, this exhilaration, so you can walk through walls, you can levitate things with just your mind.

I acted out on sexual desires. You may be having sex

with dream characters. That's a very popular thing in the beginning. So I suppose

it's just exercising whatever you want to happen in an environment where

there are no rules.

Another way to think of lucid dreaming?

Think of the sleeping brain,

suddenly catching a glimpse of itself in the mirror.

What are you doing?

It asks. What are you doing? It asks. What are you thinking? Oh, you're dreaming. Snap out of it. No, wait. Stay in it.

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