There are mothers… and then there are matriarchs. This week in the Den, we sit down with Donna Jordan — lifelong visual artist, educator, proud grandmother, mother of three — and yes, the mother of Michael B. Jordan. But this conversation? It’s about her. Donna shares what it really looked like to raise three creative children while nurturing her own artistry — creating art between caregiving and callbacks working in hand-painted silk and design to help support her family, and making sure her children saw her creating even when life was full. She opens up about being diagnosed with lupus in 1997, navigating fear and uncertainty, and “faking it” through pain so her children wouldn’t carry the weight of her illness. She talks about what it means to mother through invisible disease, to show up when your body doesn’t want to, and how watching her push through shaped her children’s empathy and work ethic. And now? We see the fruit. Her children don’t just succeed — they show up. They place her art on sets. They manage her business. They protect the woman she is and the legacy she built quietly for decades. This episode is about reciprocity. About raising children who return the love. About taking your “$10” for yourself. About reclaiming your time — at any age. If you’ve ever wondered whether your sacrifices matter… this one will sit with you. Keep up with Donna Jordan on IG: @dj_kree8tive The Mamas are building our community and ways to keep in touch with you. Share your email address here: https://tinyurl.com/MamasDen Make sure you connect with our Mamas on IG: @themamasdenpodcast Ashley - @watermeloneggrolls Codie - @codieco  Melanie - @melaniefiona