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Welcome back to the coming storm from BBC Radio 4 and World Service. I'm Gabriel Gatehouse.

And this is the podcast series about a crazy conspiracy theory, about a cabal of satanic pedophiles who may or may not have tried

to steal an election. It's also the series where I feel like we've learned one big

lesson which is never ignore the weird stuff.

And we're going to do something a little bit different today.

We're going to hand over the microphone to a man who spent a lifetime not ignoring the weird stuff

Louis through documentary maker and spelunken of the weirdest stuff imaginable and we're going to have a little chat about America.

Have a little spelunk.

Hi Louis.

If I can use that term through your excellent series the

coming storm. Thank you through your inspiration through what you've learned. So

thank you for having me on. Thank you for that intro. Spelunking just to be clear is basically potholing is caving yeah it's

caving diving deep into the dark depths of other things that begin with deep

metaphorical spelunking through dark spaces as you say.

Can we start with the image of a man called Jacob Chansley, who goes by other names,

Yellowstone Wolf, I think is one of them.

Jake Agnelli.

Jake Angelli?

Or however you pronounce that?

And QAnon or Q-Shayman.

Yeah, I called him the Q andan Shaman.

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