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Civics 101

The Lottery: How it happened, and what it pays for

Civics 101

NHPR

History, Government, Society & Culture

4.22.6K Ratings

🗓️ 9 December 2025

⏱️ 32 minutes

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Summary

The lottery generates over $70 billion in revenue each year. Today on Civics 101 we explore how we got here; from failed lotteries in the Revolutionary War to the Golden Octopus to the Numbers Game to a Mega Millions ticket from your neighborhood shop. Where does all of that money GO? And why are states so dependent on them in the first place? Taking us on this madcap journey are two experts on the lottery in the US; Kevin Flynn (author of American Sweepstakes) and Matthew Vaz (author of Running the Numbers). CLICK HERE: Visit our website to see all of our episodes, donate to the podcast, sign up for our newsletter, get free educational materials, and more! To see Civics 101 in book form, check out A User's Guide to Democracy: How America Works by Hannah McCarthy and Nick Capodice, featuring illustrations by Tom Toro. Check out our other weekly NHPR podcast, Outside/In - we think you'll love it! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hello, everyone.

0:02.4

So this week, we have watched something happen that seems to be happening more and more often.

0:08.0

Powerball, the immensely popular 45-state lottery game, which racks up huge jackpots, has done it again.

0:18.3

As of yesterday, the Powerball jackpot was creeping up to one billion dollars with a B.

0:27.1

And I bring this up because the lottery, believe it or not, has a lot to do with civics and government

0:32.3

in the states where it's legal to play. So here is our episode on what the lottery is, its history, how it became a uniquely

0:40.5

American institution, and most importantly, where that money goes. All right, here we go.

0:51.6

There's always been a lottery. Do we agree with Old Man Warner that the lottery should be continued simply because there's always been one?

1:00.2

As Oklahomans try to strike it rich, they also invest in Oklahoma's future.

1:05.1

Or do we object with Tessie that the whole thing just isn't fair, isn't right?

1:10.0

And so people who buy tickets thinking, hey, I'm helping education, do you think they're

1:13.5

really doing as much as they think they are?

1:15.2

They believe they are, but they're absolutely not benefiting education.

1:19.4

Whatever else Shirley Jackson has done in her story, she has certainly given us a memorable

1:23.9

image.

1:26.3

We're not talking about that lottery, are we, Nick?

1:29.8

Well, as every English teacher in America knows, Hannah, the morning of June 27th was clear

1:34.9

and sunny with the fresh warmth of a full summer day.

1:38.0

All right, I'm going to put the kibosh on Shirley Jackson from the outset, although I will

1:41.9

say that short story is all about hyper-local government.

1:46.4

But I do want to ask you, with all seriousness, what does buying a ticket and maybe winning millions

1:52.0

of dollars have to do with U.S. governmental systems? Why are we doing a civics episode on the lottery?

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