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The Lost Boys of Big Tech

Radio Atlantic

The Atlantic

News, Society & Culture, Politics

4.32.3K Ratings

🗓️ 29 February 2024

⏱️ 30 minutes

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Summary

The original “Burn Book” from Mean Girls was used to spread rumors and gossip about other girls (and some boys) at North Shore High School. Kara Swisher’s new memoir, Burn Book, tells true stories about men (and some women) who ruled Silicon Valley.  Swisher recounts some of the most cringey moments of the early dot-com boom, including the strange antics at parties she never really wanted to go to. But mostly she traces how the idiosyncrasies, blind spots, and enthusiasms of these tech titans have created the world we live in now. Get more from your favorite Atlantic voices when you subscribe. You’ll enjoy unlimited access to Pulitzer-winning journalism, from clear-eyed analysis and insight on breaking news to fascinating explorations of our world. Subscribe today at TheAtlantic.com/podsub. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Kara, I finished your book.

0:01.5

It is surprisingly dishy.

0:04.7

You called it the burn book after mean girls?

0:08.0

So this is supposed to be what you really think about everyone,

0:11.4

like Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates, Elon Musk, all of them.

0:15.0

That's exactly right.

0:17.0

I'm Hannah Rosen, this is Radio Atlantic and Kara is Kara Swisher.

0:22.0

The most straightforward way to describe And Kara is Kara Swisher.

0:22.9

The most straightforward way to describe her

0:25.4

is veteran technology journalist.

0:28.2

But the bigger truth is that she was put on this earth

0:31.1

to cover Silicon Valley. From the minute that Kara got a giant prototype

0:36.1

cell phone in her hand, she knew that she had to move west. So there she was, at the beginning

0:42.3

of the dot-com era in the makeshift garage offices where everyone coded all night and at the parties where they drank and then told her things

0:49.8

And as they became more famous, she became more famous for being both incredibly well connected and a journalistic bulldog.

0:59.0

Not sure how those two things held together, but they did, and she kept it up for years.

1:05.0

And at this point, when it's way, way harder to get access to these tech titans,

1:10.9

Kara Swisher is one of the only journalists who can say that she knew them and many of their parents way back when.

1:18.0

Which explains the book's dis-she vibe.

1:21.0

And PS, there will be cursing. It's not about like people's

1:29.2

dating lives that's not what you mean you're talking about their actual personalities right?

1:34.0

Yes exactly I want you to understand how they got from one place to another how what

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