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The Counsel

The Losing Isn’t Over for Trump’s Justice Department

The Counsel

Vox Media Podcast Network

News, Politics

4.7861 Ratings

🗓️ 25 November 2025

⏱️ 10 minutes

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Summary

Elie Honig is a former Assistant U.S. Attorney and co-chief of the organized crime unit at the Southern District of New York, where he prosecuted more than 100 mobsters, including members of La Cosa Nostra, and the Gambino and Genovese crime families. He went on to serve as Director of the Department of Law and Public Safety at New Jersey Division of Criminal Justice. He is currently Special Counsel at Lowenstein Sandler and a CNN legal analyst.  For a transcript of Elie’s note and the full archive of contributor notes, head to CAFE.com. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

It's time for Black Friday at Dell Technologies.

0:02.7

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0:07.3

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0:08.3

Okay, forward slash Black Friday.

0:11.7

Hey, everyone, Ellie here, wishing you a happy.

0:14.3

Well, this will be Tuesday or Wednesday, partially because it's Thanksgiving week,

0:18.3

partially because this huge piece of news dropped on Monday.

0:22.4

Before we get into it, I'll just tell you how I found out about this.

0:25.0

So I teach every Monday at Rutgers State U, where I went here in New Jersey many years ago,

0:31.8

from about noon to three o'clock.

0:33.8

And sometimes, I sort of hate when this happens, but a huge piece of news will drop during the class.

0:40.1

And my phone will start going crazy.

0:41.7

Obviously, I have to finish up the class.

0:43.3

And then I usually run home or run into the studio and do what I have to do.

0:46.6

That's what happened last night.

0:48.2

But the story about the federal judge dismissing the cases against Letitia James and James Comey, which we'll talk about

0:55.0

in a minute, broke at about 1220 p.m. So it's just getting started with my class, and I had to sort

1:01.6

of silence a whole bunch of calls and say, you know, let me get on around 4 o'clock or something

1:06.1

as soon as I'm done here, which is what happened. But I also took advantage of the moment.

1:09.9

And this class is basically

1:12.5

about DOJ at the intersection of prosecution and politics. And a core theme of this class,

1:19.0

it's an undergraduate class, is to teach these students, future law students, hopefully future

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