Hello, Sarah Marshall. Hello! Hello! You are listening to Why Are Duds! Oh my goodness, these are clearly too many rings. Yes, that's too many rings. There's nine and then a tenth maybe, or is there eight and then a ninth? Who even knows? It's hard-telling.

Tallian knows. Tallian knows. But this is the intro, so she's not here yet. You're listening to Why Are Duds, a show where we find excuses to talk about things if they're tangentially related to dads.

Yeah, and dads are everywhere, so we can talk about whatever we want, but we do stick to movies. So what did we talk about today, Sarah?

We talked about Peter Jackson's Lure to the Rings trilogy, not Ralph Beck. She's equally consequential film, and we talked about it with Tallia Leven, which was a great joy because she is actually from Middle Earth, originally deep down inside.

Yeah, spiritually Tallia is from Middle Earth. Yes. Like, she grew up there, she knows what it's like, and she's telling us about it, and we are talking about the dad's situation over there.

I would say 99% of the people who listen to the show are ultimately the end of the day they are Sarah Marshall fans. And Sarah Marshall fans know that Sarah Marshall is a newsies fanatic.

I would say buff. Yeah, that's that's more appropriate.

And Tallia is the you of Lord of the Rings. Oh, yeah, that's very true. Specifically in the sense that she and I both at roughly the same age were like very into the fan fiction worlds of these movies, you know, the experience of having a world to be a part of and to continue to make a new

and a time when you don't have a ton of power in your life as I think very special. And I feel like I'm a big evangelist for fan fiction. I think if more kids were writing fan fiction, they wouldn't have time to do other stuff.

I don't mean sex. I mean scary internet stuff that I'm scared of.

And that's so fascinating in the context of Tallia because Tallia talks about this in the episode.

And Tallia is like the grand dam of scary internet stuff journalistically. Right. Both Tallia and you learned how to write for the public through fan fiction.

Totally. As you just said, it keeps you out of scary internet stuff. Tallia is is an expert on scary internet stuff. And that has a cross section that comes up in her book Culture Warlords with Nordic mythology.

There's intersections all over the place in this in this episode. And I love it. And one thing we weren't able to get to one thing we had to cut out of the episode because we just talked about a non stop was how Brad Dorif is in our friend Brad Dorf.

And all that I'm going to ask you in a second to explain who this is, but our friend bad Brad Dorif. Bad Dorif. Bad Dorif makes an appearance in the first of the trilogy, first movie of the trilogy.

Second movie, I think. Second movie. What's his name tongue tongue lizard?

Warm tongue.

Just watch these lizard boy. Good old lizard boy. That Tolkien. He loved his names. Some of them he phoned in like with lizard.

Tallia is like screaming right now if she's listening to this.

Brad Dorif has been in our friend relationship since the beginning. Who is Brad Dorif?

The entire time. Day one. He has been with us. We've always he's just always the spirit who guides us. Another patron saint.

Yes. Brad Dorif is okay. I feel like the role that he is best known for in like cinema is he was Billy bibit in one floor with the cuckoo's nest. It was a breakout role.

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