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We're going to cover four topics today. Let's start with perhaps the one everyone is talking about.

Frankly, more than the winner at this point, which is WTF polling. David, I'm going to start with you.

You know, I mean this.

I mean, okay, next topic.

I think that I don't know what else to say. Then I mean, you know, here's the thing is it would be one thing if you could look at say that there was a polling average where there was a one consistent strand of say four or five

pollsters, six pollsters, seven pollsters that were getting this right. And then there was another strand of five, six, seven, eight pollsters that were getting it substantially wrong.

And you could look at the competing methodologies and say, oh, this is exactly why pollster A was wrong and pollster B was right.

Well, aside from, you know, the Trafalgar sort of the guy, the Trafalgar Island, which everyone was giving side eye to the Trafalgar Island until about 11 o'clock last night, you, when you were looking at all of the polling, the best reasonable guess you could make about it was that rather than underweighting or, you know, like in 2016, they, there was a problem in some of the Midwestern state polls of not sampling enough.

College educated voters. I'm eager to see more sophisticated analysis, but somebody tell me that I'm wrong that sort of this idea that there was actually a set number of people who just weren't forthcoming about their choice seems to have been part of the dynamic.

Or if I just completely missed something that has already been litigated and decided and, you know, the last hour when I wasn't on Twitter.

Joe, now I'm going to come to you on the shy Trump voter, but I do want to point out that to your point about pollsters, you know, some getting it wrong or right, etc. Like Trafalgar, the guy who was the most Trump positive pollster out there, he got it wrong too.

He said that Trump would win Michigan by three. He said Trump would win Pennsylvania by two. That turned out not to be right.

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