The Long Game with Jake Sullivan and John Finer

On with Kara Swisher

New York Magazine

Society & Culture

4.2 • 3.2K Ratings

🗓️ 25 December 2025

⏱️ 77 minutes

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Happy Holidays from the On with Kara Swisher team! To celebrate, we’re gifting you a recent episode of a new national security podcast from the Vox Media Podcast Network. “The Long Game” is hosted by Jake Sullivan, President Biden’s National Security Advisor, and Jon Finer, his Principal Deputy — both senior aides who sat in on the classified Presidential Daily Brief each morning and translated raw intelligence into policy advice. On this episode of The Long Game, Jake and Jon cover: - The fast-escalating U.S. pressure campaign against the Maduro regime in Venezuela — including the growing American military buildup and Trump’s post calling Venezuela a “foreign terrorist organization.” - President Trump’s decision to allow the sale of Nvidia’s advanced H200 AI chips to China — announced on the same day that the DOJ called the chip a cornerstone of “AI superiority.” - A Red Team/Blue Team exercise on the U.S.-backed peace proposal for the Ukraine–Russia war, with Jake and Jon stepping into the roles of advisers to Zelensky and Putin. Follow The Long Game so you never miss an episode. New episodes drop on Fridays. Show notes and a transcript of the episode are available here.Watch the video of this episode on Youtube. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	What is the Trump administration's thinking on a possible war with Venezuela?
0:05.4	He's probably thinking in his mind, with a show of strength, I can get a big win on the cheap.
0:11.9	I'm John Feiner. And I'm Jake Sullivan. And we're the hosts of The Long Game, a weekly national security podcast.
0:18.8	This week, we dig into Venezuela, the U.S.-China AI race, and game out whether President
0:24.7	Zelensky and Putin should accept the U.S.-backed peace deal.
0:28.6	The episode is now out.
0:30.2	Search for and follow The Long Game, wherever you get your podcasts.
0:36.6	At Criminal, we've made it a tradition every December to dedicate an episode entirely to animals who are really going for it.
0:46.3	And Tony, what happened when you pulled over?
0:48.5	Nothing out of the ordinary until I saw the cat on the back of the roof behind the luggage carrier.
0:57.0	Listen to our fifth annual animals episode on Criminal, wherever you get your podcasts.
1:05.5	Hi, everyone, from New York Magazine and the Vox Media Podcast Network. This is on with
1:09.6	Kara Swisher, and I'm Kara Swisher.
1:12.1	Merry Christmas. We're off for the holiday, but we still got something special for you today.
1:17.0	It's an episode of The Long Game, another great Vox Media podcasts. It's a weekly national security
1:22.6	podcast hosted by Jake Sullivan, President Biden's National Security Advisor, and his top deputy, John Finer.
1:29.8	Jake and John take a long view analysis of the big news stories that dominate our headlines each week.
1:35.5	On today's show, they're talking about NVIDIA's ship sales to China and the ongoing Ukraine-Russia peace talks.
1:42.2	Jake and John's conversations are always very insightful,
1:45.5	so stick around.
1:47.0	For Trump,
1:48.3	he's probably thinking,
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