The Long Dark with Francis Weller
How to Survive the End of the World
How to Survive the End of the World
4.8 • 2K Ratings
🗓️ 14 November 2025
⏱️ 78 minutes
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Summary
The sisters are thrilled to welcome soul activist, Francis Weller to the show. They discuss how engaging with grief and shame is essential, the necessary process of the long dark, and how descent leads to self-discovery.
Francis Weller is a writer and soul activist who has worked as a psychotherapist for 40 years. He's the author of many books and projects including the beloved grief text, The Wild Edge of Sorrow. Francis is currently on staff at Commonweal Cancer Help Program. His most recent collection, In the Absence of the Ordinary, was released in August 2025 from North Atlantic Books alongside the tenth anniversary edition of The Wild Edge of Sorrow. Francis is also the author of Entering the Healing Ground, the companion workbook to The Wild Edge of Sorrow, which will be released in February 2026.
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| 0:00.0 | There's a term in the Inuit tradition called Kartsaluni. |
| 0:07.0 | And Kartsaluni translates quite literally, sitting quietly together in the darkness, |
| 0:15.0 | waiting expectantly for something creative to burst forth. |
| 0:20.0 | And that's where we are right now. |
| 0:22.8 | I think we have to get really quiet and listen. |
| 0:26.7 | Because we don't know what's happening. |
| 0:29.9 | We don't know. |
| 0:31.5 | And we can't use the same models of progress and push and control |
| 0:36.9 | and making, forcing things to happen we're really |
| 0:40.9 | being asked to approach it very very differently |
| 0:45.3 | you know I'm Autumn Brown, front woman of the soul pop band, Autumn. |
| 1:06.2 | A queer science fiction writer, a theologian, a mother of dragons, and a healing justice facilitator for |
| 1:13.4 | social movements living on Dakota and Inishinaabe land currently known as Minneapolis. |
| 1:18.6 | And I'm Adri Marie Brown, a luscious, black queer witch writer Auntie obsessed with love, |
| 1:24.6 | an apocalyptic cosmic optimist and a gardener of healing ideas. |
| 1:29.1 | I live in the land of the Okamichi, Shikori, Skorouri, Tesorra, Ino, and Lumbi, Pupus. |
| 1:35.7 | And this is How to Survive the End of the World, our podcast about learning from |
| 1:41.1 | apocalypse with grace, rigor, and curiosity. |
| 1:45.5 | As a reminder, we have no ads. |
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| 1:52.9 | Patreon for exclusive content. |
| 1:55.5 | If you're the people who've been waiting to hear what we think about Luigi Mangione, |
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