from w nyc studios it's brian lair a daily politics podcast it's wednesday june 22nd

did you watch yesterday's january sixth committee hearing number four or listen to it on the radio

i'll say again something I said after

the third hearing. It is all worse than you probably even thought. In fact, I said yesterday on

the air when I was previewing the hearing on Allison Stewart Show that this hearing would be

different from the earlier ones because it was not going to be about the riot,

but about the pressure on state officials to nullify the election results. Well, that was true about

yesterday, except I didn't realize we would hear connections to the break-in in terms of the

physically thuggish behavior that got documented there,

aimed toward several, I'll call them earnest, straightforward, innocent,

public servants just doing their jobs,

and provoked by no less than the President of the United States himself,

naming these names, and a lawyer for him named Rudy Giuliani. There was also

damning material about Giuliani telling people he had a theory of how the election was stolen but said

all we don't have is the evidence. Yeah, right? No evidence was why dozens of courts threw out their

claims.

But Trump and his allies were pushing state officials in multiple states to overturn the

election anyway. Maybe that's criminal or maybe it's just politically fascist. We'll see.

But I'm going to play a few of the clips in which the story of the thuggishness that seems to connect with the January 6th riot itself gets told and reveals further how there's a movement of ultra-maga extremists who could rear their threatening heads at any time still to private citizens as well as public officials. Then we'll talk to

Quint of Jurassic from the website Lawfare for analysis, and we'll take your calls. So here we go.

The worst of the worst to my ear was the way Trump and Giuliani targeted a regular citizen

poll worker from Georgia, not even a statewide elected official, like in yesterday's

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