The American experiment is under review and the only way forward is for us to figure out what we have to undo.

That is Tamara Tollso Loflin, a 350.org, talking about connections between Black Lives Matter, the coronavirus pandemic and climate change.

We'll hear from her on this podcast and from Tanya Shaides, an undocumented dreamer brought to the U.S. at the age of five.

Every single week, I have a tendency to wake up and just immediately Google like Supreme Court DACA decision.

Did it happen today? Did it not happen? And that's my ritual every week.

Will Tanya be deported to Mexico? We'll talk with her and another dreamer,

her fiancé, who might be deported to Chile. But first, it's systemic racism and the presidential

campaign. The words Black Lives Matter are now painted in massive letters on 16th Street, not far

from the White House, a challenge to President Trump from the mayor of Washington, D.C.

But somebody else painted the phrase defund the police on the same street nearby. Now, here's the

leader in a story from the Washington Examiner, quote, President Trump's re-election campaign

sees the defund the police proposals catching on in left-wing circles as an albatross to hang around

Joe Biden's neck. The byline is W. James Antle third, and he joins us now. Jim Antle, welcome.

Good to be here, Warren. Just to prove your point. Here's what President Trump had to say on Monday.

There won't be defunding. There won't be dismantling of our police. Sometimes you'll see

some horrible things like we witnessed recently, but 99, I say 99.9.9, but let's go with 99% of

them are great, great people. So Jim Antle, tell us how the Trump campaign plans to hang this on Joe Biden.

Well, I think it's part of a larger general strategy of trying to put Biden in a position where he either has to take progressive positions that they feel will alienate swing voters, especially in those key battleground states in the Rust Belt,

or that he has to so forcefully disavow those positions that it runs the risk of demoralizing

some of his more progressive supporters, maybe discouraging some of them from turning out.

So when they began the whole pitch on defund the police, the Biden campaign hadn't

really taken a firm position on it.

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