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Pitchfork Economics with Nick Hanauer

The limits of the market (with Joseph Stiglitz)

Pitchfork Economics with Nick Hanauer

Civic Ventures

Business, Government, News, Politics

4.81.5K Ratings

🗓️ 30 August 2022

⏱️ 42 minutes

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Summary

One of the central theories of classical economics is that markets respond quickly and efficiently to changes in demand. But the supply chain disruptions that left store shelves empty for much of the pandemic demonstrate that the markets aren’t the efficient adapters that classic economists believe them to be. Nobel laureate economist Joseph Stiglitz explains why the tendency to believe in the market is one of the most deeply rooted trickle-down myths, and why government intervention is the best way to respond to economic downturns. This episode was originally released in May 2020. Joseph Stiglitz is a Nobel laureate economist and a professor at Columbia University. He is also the co-chair of the High-Level Expert Group on the Measurement of Economic Performance and Social Progress at the OECD, and the Chief Economist of the Roosevelt Institute. Twitter: @JosephEStiglitz People, Power, and Profits: Progressive Capitalism for an Age of Discontent: https://www.indiebound.org/book/9781324004219 Four Priorities for Pandemic Relief Efforts: https://rooseveltinstitute.org/four-priorities-for-covid19-pandemic-relief-efforts/ Why Our Affluent Society Is Facing Shortages in the Face of the Coronavirus Pandemic: https://time.com/5811505/affluent-society-shortages-coronavirus-pandemic Deficit Lessons for the Pandemic From the 2008 Crisis: https://prospect.org/economy/deficit-lessons-pandemic-2008-crisis/ How the Economy Will Look After the Coronavirus Pandemic: https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/04/15/how-the-economy-will-look-after-the-coronavirus-pandemic/ Top economist: US coronavirus response is like ‘third world’ country: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/apr/22/top-economist-us-coronavirus-response-like-third-world-country-joseph-stiglitz-donald-trump Website: https://pitchforkeconomics.com Twitter: @PitchforkEcon Instagram: @pitchforkeconomics Nick’s twitter: @NickHanauer

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0:00.0

Hi, pitchfork economics listeners, I'm Ashley, one of the producers here at the show.

0:05.7

We're taking a break this summer, which means no new episodes, but in the meantime, we're

0:09.9

re-releasing some of our favorite past episodes.

0:13.4

Like this one, from May 2020 with no bell laureate economist Joseph Stiglitz.

0:18.3

He explains why the tendency to believe in the market is one of the most deeply rooted

0:22.3

trickle-down myths, and how the pandemic proved that to be true.

0:26.4

Don't forget to follow the show on Apple Spotify or wherever you listen and please leave

0:30.4

us a five-star rating or review.

0:33.0

When we talk about markets, we're not talking about the convenience store down the street

0:37.1

or the local safeway.

0:38.6

There are stories of farmers, destroying food, destroying milk because the restaurants

0:43.8

are no longer buying them, and yet we have in our society people who are going hungry

0:48.0

every night.

0:49.0

The market clearly is failing.

0:50.2

Joe also is a big believer in markets, but shares our view that they have limits and that

0:55.3

there has to be a big role for government in harnessing the power of markets for public

1:00.1

goods.

1:05.6

From the home offices of civic ventures in downtown Seattle, this is pitchfork economics,

1:10.6

with Nick Hanauer, the best place to get the truth about who gets what and why.

1:21.1

I'm Nick Hanauer, founder of Civic Ventures.

1:24.2

I'm David Goldstein, senior fellow at Civic Ventures.

1:30.9

So Nick, sometimes our critics accuse us of being socialists because we're often dissing

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