The Limits of Manifesting Success with James Forman, Jr.
Deep Cover
Pushkin Industries
4.2 • 4.7K Ratings
🗓️ 29 June 2026
⏱️ 48 minutes
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Summary
When Keith Giammanco started robbing banks in 2007, he sought to minimize his legal risk. Keith says he never carried a weapon, and he confessed to the authorities the same day he was arrested. But, ultimately, he faced two prosecutions - federal and state. And he served nearly two decades in prison.
Jake sits down with legal scholar James Forman, Jr. to unpack how this all unfolded, why a lawyer never tries to "manifest success,” and what justice looks like in a case like this.
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| 0:00.0 | This is an I-Heart podcast. |
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| 0:35.8 | Hey, everybody, it's Jake here. |
| 0:38.2 | I hope you enjoyed this season of Deep Cover, The Family Man. |
| 0:42.3 | As so often happens when I'm working on a story like this, |
| 0:45.6 | there are questions that have stuck with me, |
| 0:48.3 | things we couldn't unpack in detail during the course of the series. |
| 0:52.7 | A lot of those have to do with the legal proceedings that Keith |
| 0:55.7 | Giamonko faced after his arrest in 2008. Like, how did his tearful and immediate confession |
| 1:04.1 | affect his prospects in the courts? And speaking of the courts, why was he prosecuted twice |
| 1:10.6 | at the federal and then the state level? |
| 1:13.7 | Why couldn't Keith and his lawyers get on the same page about their trial strategy? |
| 1:18.4 | And of course, the biggest lingering question for me, was the sentence that Keith received really necessary? |
| 1:26.1 | So I sat down with my friend James Foreman Jr. to talk it all through. |
| 1:30.3 | James is a professor at the Yale Law School and won the Pulitzer Prize for his book on mass incarceration. |
| 1:37.3 | Here's our conversation. |
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