I don't need, what's, what's an influencer?

All right.

This is a good occasion to do the show.

Start the show.

Welcome back.

It's episode 153 of the Hoover Institution's Law Talk podcast coming to you, as we always do,

in the faculty lounge of the Epstein and

You School of Law, one of the country's leading law schools for disbarment rates. I'm your host,

Troy Sennick, former White House speechwriter, co-founder of Kighton Key Media and cover models for the most

recent Ann Taylor catalog. And I am joined, as always, by the Sinatra and Martin of the

conservative legal movement. They are Richard Epstein, the Peter and Kierston Bedford Senior Fellow

at the Hoover Institution, the Lawrence A. Tish Professor of Law at NYU and Senior Lecturer

at the University of Chicago. And which one am I?

Which one what? Sanatra and Martin.

Oh, you're frank. You're frank. Because we all know that in terms of the guy who's going to be

on stage with a glass of brown wicker, that's John. Yeah. Okay. Oh, got it. Which leaves me to

He's, he's, he's, he's Jerry Lewis. This is unfair. John, at least let me get through your introduction.

John, you're a visiting fellow at the Hoover Institution, the Emanuel S. Heller, professor of law at the University of California, Berkeley, and former deputy assistant attorney general in the Bush administration.

So, boys, good to be back.

We have had a huge and unpardonable gap since the last show, because it turns out it is harder to bust yourself out of an Uzbek prison than you'd think.

But one unusual occurrence has taken place since last we got together, which is, as you know, I rarely leave the house.

But John and I saw each other in person for a couple of days in the wilds of the Pacific Northwest,

...