I'm James Rogers and on today's warfare podcast we mark the 80th anniversary of that fateful day on July 6th,

1942 when Anne and her family went into hiding by finding out about the people who hid the Franks and another family who lived alongside them.

To help with this we have Dr Gertchen Broke who has been the senior historical researcher at the now preserved Anne Frankhouse in Amsterdam for over 15 years.

He joins us to explain the fates of those involved and to reveal the real reason why Anne

and her family were eventually found by the Nazis. And the Hi Gertian, welcome to the Warfare Podcast. How you doing today?

I'm fine, thank you. Good to hear. Well, it is great to have you on the podcast especially at this important time of the year because

this July marks 80 years since Anne Frank and her family went into hiding in Nazi-occupied Amsterdam and of course we can all

still visit that house today the Anne-Frank house located just outside downtown

Amsterdam I've been there myself and I'm always struck by the

somber silence of all of those who are walking round the building going through into each different room, up into the lofts back down, and into

the exhibition space.

It truly is a sobering and educational experience, and I suppose that sums up a bit more of what the Anne Frank House is.

Because it's not just a museum, is it? It's not just a museum, it's also considered to be a place of

remembrance and most of the visiting people they pick that up I think they notice that so yes it's a place that a lot of people are impressed by visiting just when you walk around and you are pondering and thinking over what just happened there in those years.

Absolutely and it's it is a museum it is a space where you can also learn a lot about this history, where talks can take place, where exhibitions can take place.

But there's also research going on within the organization and you're part of that aren't you?

Yes that's right and for a long time the mission of the Anna Frank House was mainly educational

and that is still an important part of it but since I think about

15 years 15 to 20 years the idea has grown that it's good for us as an organization, as an educational organization,

also as a museum and also as a center of knowledge, as we are supposed to know things about the life of Anfrunken and the people around her.

So the idea of forming our own body of knowledge, rather than rely on what other people do and think that's important.

So the head of collections at that time got the idea to have a research department as well.

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