Hey, before we start I've got two brand new Patreon supporters I want to thank.

Joe Laverini and Ellie Gage.

Both Joe and Ellie signed up via Patreon, which is monthly support,

and there are a lot of different benefits that come with

Patreon. You can go to the website to see all that, but one of them is a monthly video slash

behind-the-scenes newsletter that I put out, and since it's coming up to be the end of the month I'm going to be working on that next week

So thank you to everybody who supports no matter how much how often it all makes a really really big difference and it is the reason that I've been able to

expand the podcast and grow the podcast.

So thank you, thank you, thank you very much. Hey, this is Ed Roberson, and this is the Mountain and Prairie Podcast where I introduce you to some of the innovative individuals who are shaping the future of the American West.

I meet most of these people through my work in land conservation or through my hobbies and interests that revolve around spending time up high in the mountains.

My guests include ranchers, writers, entrepreneurs, conservationists, athletes, artists, adventurers,

pretty much anyone who's doing important work has an interesting story and loves the American West.

This episode is a little bit different than normal. It is actually me being interviewed by my friend and past Mountain Prairie podcast guest Kate Kavanaugh.

If you've been listening to Mountain Prairie for a while, then I'm sure you remember Kate.

She's a farmer, butcher, an all-around interesting woman who co-founded Western Daughters Butcher Shop in Denver.

Kate recently started her own podcast and it's called Groundwork, and it covers a variety of interesting

topics from soil to health to books to

intentional living. Kate is unbelievably smart and insightful and there's a ton of

overlap between what I'm doing at Mountain and Prairie and what she's doing with

groundwork. So I encourage you to check out all of her podcast episodes. There's a

link in the episode notes. So even though I'm still confused as to why anybody

would ever want to interview me, Kate did and we had a really fun conversation about everything from conservation to ultra running, from reading to starting a podcast. We also talk a lot about my obsession with living what

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