What's up, everybody? Welcome back to a couple things interviews.

With Sean and Andrew.

Today we have the one and only Jenny Allen, who it feels like yesterday she was on our podcast.

But it was actually like six years ago.

I can't believe that. We had her in person, first time meeting her in person.

It's been so fun to follow her over the last six years.

And she is a force to be reckoned with force which is

crazy because you meet her and she's such a gentle wise soul and you're like wow I love everything

about this if you don't know jenny she is a bible teacher a speaker and author she's the founder of

if gathering which has helped millions of women around the world

grown their faith and build deeper community. She's written books like, get out of your head,

find your people, untangle your emotions. And her most recent book, which is what we're here to talk

about, is the lie you don't know you believe. Anyway, she has a great perspective. We'll link more

information to her, her book, and what she's up to down below.

She has so much wisdom in this podcast and this conversation telling us about what she's doing to truly just change the lives of, I would argue, millions of people.

We did end this interview with me and her talking about going to prison.

So I really hope and really

think you will enjoy this podcast. Please, without further ado, Jenny Allen. Ginny Allen,

welcome to the show. Y'all, so fun to be here. Welcome to Nashville. I know. I love it.

I told her. I was like, I swore she lived here, but I think that's just all the Christian writers do. Everybody does. Everybody's here now. Yeah. I was reflecting on our conversation that we had with you six years ago. It was six years ago. Can you believe that? Andrew, did you look that up? That is crazy. It's crazy. That feels like two years ago. I know. It does feel like two years ago. That is wild.

So y'all just had like a baby.

We just had our second baby when we talked to you.

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