If we've sinned with our words, we need to do more than course correct.

Well, I'd be rebuked from using the word heresy, Seth. That's what I want to know.

You can't just stop being gay. You have to pursue godly heterosexuality

with the hope of living in a marriage covenant. If that's Christian nationalism, sign me up.

I'm over 500 episodes on this show,

and this is like the most fun I've had in years.

Before it was AIDS, it was called Grid,

gay-related infectious disease.

Was that what they used to call?

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah. How is it that a former gay rights lesbian professor activist turned Christian get shut out of the the big Eva, big Eva conferences and events about LGBTQ. Surely she would have the best insight. I mean, right on like how to reach people lost in the woke mob. I'm honored today to be joined by my friend Rosaria Butterfield, former lesbian feminist English professor in New York turned

warrior for Christ and author of her memoir, The Secret Thoughts of an Unlikly Convert, an English

professor's journey into Christian faith, and many other incredible books, by the way.

We discuss her journey and testimony, the growing manifestation of LGBTQ ideology in the American church and a funny story at the end,

which is why you should listen to the whole thing, about Preston Sprinkles's complete capitulation

to leftist overlords running Big Eva.

There are very few interviews that blow my mind so utterly that I lost for words.

And very few people with the unfiltered humility and courage that Rosaria has.

This is one of my favorite episodes.

I think you guys are going to be blown away.

And even if your commute is not long enough to finish this whole thing,

then spend three commutes to finish the whole thing, then spend three commutes

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