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Welcome to the Edge of Sports Podcast, brought to you by The Nation magazine. I'm Dave Ziren, sports

editor over at the nation, the oldest weekly in the United States, and a weekly that, frankly,

at this point in time, has never been more important or more vital. We are speaking today.

I'm so excited to an absolute legend in the world of sports writing.

Long time, New York Times columnist Robert Lipsight. Robert Lipsight's career goes back to covering

Muhammad Ali in the early 1960s when he was Cassius Clay before anybody had an idea that this person was going to change the world.

Well, Bob figured that out before any sports writer out there.

Sincerely and truly, you can look it up.

We're going to talk to Bob, not about his incredible sports writing career, but about a book he just wrote.

It's a young adult book about football.

It's called Rhinos Run.

And it's about a high school football team and a player on it and him navigating issues

of masculinity, his family, politics, Trumpism, protest.

I mean, it's just such an incredible book.

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