I mean, I think you know the famous example in the stimulus where like all the economists

were like, make sure the people don't know you're getting them the tax credit because

if they know that they're getting it, then they're not going to spend it.

And it's like, no, make them fucking know so they know to vote for you again instead

of the people who are going to give all the money to corporations.

Hello and welcome to Why is this happening with me?

Your host Chris Hays.

So if you've been paying attention to politics recently, particularly the midterm elections

and the candidates in different races, you may have noticed there's a phrase that started

cropping up more and more.

And what's interesting about it is it's cropping up on the Democratic side.

You're hearing Democratic candidates talk about it.

You're hearing them get asked questions about whether they support this particular policy.

And you're also hearing Republicans talk about it a lot.

In fact, the president loves to talk about it.

He's become one of his new favorite things to talk about.

And the phrase is abolish ice.

A abolish ice.

Ice, of course, is immigration customs enforcement.

It's part of the Department of Homeland Security and it has been involved in lots of the

really awful stuff we've seen in immigration policy in the Trump administration, most clearly

family separation, right?

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